Batista

[TheChosen1]

HEY bloods! Check this out...
     mind you that Batista is a "pro" wrestler/performer on the globe, this bro could easily win a BB'ing competition...he stands over 6'6" and weighs well over 280lbs. He's ripped, way vascular, etc, etc.
           I would like to know just what his "supplementation" program looks like...know what I mean...?    GRANTED HE DOES HAVE HIS WEAK SPOTS, BUT THEN WE all DO (*sorry. Cap lock sticks)

Truth is, most of the popular wrestlers are former bodybuilders and powerlifters.

JOHN CENA: Before coming to the WWE, he was a professional bodybuilder.
"BUFF" BAGWELL: Was a bodybuilder before he was introduced to professional wrestling by wrestling legendary valet, Melissa Hyatt.
Famous powerlifters and Strongman competitors/champions, Ken Patera, Ted Arcidi, & Bill Kazmaier all wrestled.
And most remembered, UFC Champion, Ken Shamrock was not only a wrestler but once the WWF (now WWE) World Champion.

[muscle_n_blood]

Welcome to Hardcore.

[Jack Tragic]

True enough, Jack. I agree... I don't like to see AAS portrayed in that light, but that scene isn't going to change anyone's opinion one way or another. Put in context, "cheap" aptly describes the world of the low-level pro wrestler. It's a cheap and seedy world they live in.

Not so true bro. I have a good friend that has been afilliated as n "extra" w/WWE for several years now. he loves it! He holds down a more than full time career in sales and marketing and does the WWE thing on the side. he makes $500 per every 2 hours on the premisses. Weather he performs or not....including food! Nice, eh?
  I think Rourke's flick was a shot at the "old school" perhaps...didn't impress me in the least. (i do like Mickey as an actor though)
              Also to add insult to injury...the bro that played the "roid dealer" in the locker room scene of the flick...guess what...?...YEP!...BUSTED...
     That's why my whole point here is about how this movie could had done some good for the BB'ing comm., but alas...same ole', same ole'

[muscle_n_blood]

Jack, WWE is not the same level as what was in that movie. Not even close. I know and trained with a few guys that did the high school gym and small theater gigs. They had a rough life, always looking to take it to the next level where they could actually make real money. I also trained with The Undertaker whenever he was in Nashville. It ain't the same world.
I'd love to see a movie that depicted bodybuilding at its different levels as it truly is. Got any ideas for a storyline? We'll get to work on a screenplay.....

[Jack Tragic]

Jack, WWE is not the same level as what was in that movie. Not even close. I know and trained with a few guys that did the high school gym and small theater gigs. They had a rough life, always looking to take it to the next level where they could actually make real money. I also trained with The Undertaker whenever he was in Nashville. It ain't the same world.
I'd love to see a movie that depicted bodybuilding at its different levels as it truly is. Got any ideas for a storyline? We'll get to work on a screenplay.....

   True!...BUT... remember that Mick was playing the part of the "come-back kid". He was out of the loop for so long that he almost had to start again from square one...thus the sence of overkill and urgentcey.

[muscle_n_blood]

What about a bodybuilding movie though, Jack? How could we depict bodybuilding as a sport with a big upside? All the news gets is steroid busts, competitors dying from diuretics, slin, rec drugs and murders.
I'm 56 years old and have been bodybuilding/strength training with AAS for many years. Damn it, I know I have some injuries, but day before yesterday, my wife and I went for an 11 mile hike. We started at lake level, 6,300 feet above sea level, and climbed to over 9,000 feet and did a few miles on the Tahoe Rim Trail. Air's kinda thin up there. That ain't the Tour de France, but I think all my internal systems are "go".
And yet there are fat guys in bars smoking cigarettes that would claim I killing myself with steroids.

[Jack Tragic]

What about a bodybuilding movie though, Jack? How could we depict bodybuilding as a sport with a big upside? All the news gets is steroid busts, competitors dying from diuretics, slin, rec drugs and murders.
I'm 56 years old and have been bodybuilding/strength training with AAS for many years. Damn it, I know I have some injuries, but day before yesterday, my wife and I went for an 11 mile hike. We started at lake level, 6,300 feet above sea level, and climbed to over 9,000 feet and did a few miles on the Tahoe Rim Trail. Air's kinda thin up there. That ain't the Tour de France, but I think all my internal systems are "go".
And yet there are fat guys in bars smoking cigarettes that would claim I killing myself with steroids.

Haha! I was hoping you would ask! The thing imo is this...Our suck-assed liberal media focuses only on things that benefit THEMSELVES and their "agenda"! Point being...if they can't make a profit from it, then why promote it? ie; "liberalism" feeds and grows only from self-promotion and false truths! ie; Nancy Palosi, Harry Reed, haha! (Barney Frank)...
     Just think of what a HUGE HOLE in our NEW government/media plans rite now if AAS were to be let out of the closet...ie; the "Obama-Palosi": healthcare plan for all of us assholes here in the US of A! Imagine...a coumpound that actually "promotes" health and makes it attainable! Why would a lying body of Government want it's poppulation/ tax payers/ citizens to know the TRUTH?
   Frankley I hope AAS and alike NEVER become legal in this country as the governing pinheads will only rape us on sales of it. Tabacco, alchohol or even driver's liscenses/registration ring a bell? God knows the Libs have been trying to take ALL of your firearm rights away for 150 years now because they do NOT want us to fight back or even "over-take" them circa the revolution of 1776...they fear this more than ANYTHING! The real (and only problem) I see here in this world of ours is plain and simply NOT the citizens, but simply GOVERNMENT (moreso lack there-of).
     

                                            

[Jack Tragic]

Remember as well to answer your last question bro...
     If it were NOT for a man named Charles Gaines, bodybuilding would have NEVER reached the pinacle where it stands this day! YES! I am referring moreso to the movie than the book entitled "Pumoing Iron"! I know you saw it, and I know you were JACKED from it!
         This is where BBing as a professional sport took off from! This is also where everything about it became public!...(good thing)
                What screwed e/thing up is when the "liberal gov and media" stepped in! With their controlling state of being Did their best to make AAS use look "cheap" or a means of "cheating"...why?..because they had no control over it or the market demand of it. (mind you that during the time of the filming of PI, AAS were LEGAL!!!)
        The brainwashing began as to make it appear to the common "joe" that the use of AAS simply just "inflates" the muscles, and thus just giving a temporary state of physique! "THEY" also failed in a big way(as usual) to stress the importance of religious weight and strenght trainning to achieve and most of all "maintain" the desired results
                     *just a bit of info for the "thick-skulled"...
            A "liberal government" means this...;liberal FOR the government alone"...HELLO...! The bigger the government, the better (for the government...) NOT you moran!     tHE WAY TO GO HERE NOW AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN "...For the people and NOT themselves! Lower taxes and spending, more investments in the "free market ie; Capitalism"! This is what gives YOU (US) choices/FREEDOM!!

[Jack Tragic]

Check this out... Obama is the Nations FIRST Black President!  Way cool!    BUT....this fool was elected into office mainly because of the color of his skin...NOT because he was the best choice! Granted he is/ seems to be a great guy, BUT...imo, OBman needs to become a conservative! Funny...i always hear the statement "black and strong"...Ha!  Prove it Stop being led around by the entity that initially enslaved you and go over to the folks that "FREED YOU" Wake up  and stop the lies to your peoiples!! Abraham Lincoln (you remember him...he's the first man/president that abolished slavery) He was White and , oh yes...was a REPUBLICAN...and you are a Liberal WHY...??!   Helloooooooooo!

[muscle_n_blood]

What gets to me though, Jack, is the hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle. That's why I'm independent. I'm an Equal Opportunity political skeptic. Pelosi is a shrew, a bitch. Her senatorial counterpart, Harry Reid (from my state) is a wishy-washy wimp. On the other side you have idealess shit-for-brains like Mitch O'Connell and Eric Cantor. Goofballs like Democrat fatass Barney Frank. Do nothing whiners like Republican John Bohner.
I have very conservative roots, Jack. For example...  Did you read my last post in the "New Kid" thread? I'm all about the Second Amendment. I have guns, including handguns (Ruger .357 mag, Browning .380 ), and a CCP (concealed carry permit) for them.
On the other hand, I want the government to help me with health care. My coverage sucks big time. I pay way too much for coverage that has too much deductible and copay. On top of that, they won't even pay legitimate claims. I'm still argueing with them trying to get them to pay for an x-ray and MRI I had on my back last September. I can't even buy another plan. No one will sell me one... at any price... because of my pre-existing conditions. So, I'm in favor of a public option. I don't mind paying for it, just cover me and my pre-existing conditions at a rate I can afford.
We've been paying too much in taxes for a long time, Jack, and that ain't gonna change much, if any. I'm a-payin' for big government, let it do something for me, dammit.
Neither side is going to help us when it comes to easing regulations on supplements or enhancement, or any other issue important to us. The way-left liberals want government to do everything for us, and the far-right conservatives want to leave us in the dark, tell us how unsafe we are and wiretap everybody who questions why they do what they do.
Be that as it may, we aren't in Iran getting shot down for speaking our minds. And they can't have my guns.

[Jack Tragic]

Haha! Bro (m&b) my last few posts were not directly meant for you personally (i may have bootlegged the thread and got it going in a different direction [*pleads the 5th here]. Your situation does suck hard bro! You have my empathy on the whole situation and I know from experience that it is NOT easy! To me and ALOT of peeps... the term "big gov" means that the "gov" that "we the people" elected into office to serve "us" can not do their jobs eficiantly/reliabley, so they need to expand the offices at the expense of the taxpayers and alike...to this I say hell no! You were elected into office by me (us), so I (we) will now hold you to oath to deliver what you have promissed us BEFORE we the people put you in the office of your "cushy-assed" job. We as taxpayers pay for "services" but the Fed constantly uses that money for more Fed, winds up in a deficit year after year, and cries for even more $ in the form of higher taxes. Hell m&b, Fed healthcare is going to be even worse than our existing plans at present! You wanna' see "selective"...just let 'em pass this healthcare bill! It's nothing more than socialistic bullsh!t (just ask p,s. about that!) Waiting lists for major surgeries controlled by government. Telling you what they think you need done, or how non-important they think your brain tumor may be *(example) . The Fed is not only a machine, but it is a broken machine that is in need of a MAJOR over-haul...gonna get MUCH , much worse worse over the next 3.5 yrs. under Obama. All I can pray for is more mods/conservatives in the big 2010 ...Y$ES!!

[muscle_n_blood]

You have, again, described the problem as it really is.... The difference in fed policy "as advertised" compared to what happens on the ground. In health care, for example... If the "public option" was what it could be... a plan people could buy... not a gift to the freeloaders... that would be cheaper and more efficient than what we have to buy from private companies, they would be forced to streamline and compete. They can afford to do this. We didn't bail out Aetna or Blue Cross/Blue sheild, or Humana, or Cigna, etc .... If we actually had a choice between public and private, this thing could work, BUT.. by the time anything gets through congress, it's  mangled up beyond recognition and might have an attachment that has to do with studying horseshoes.
I agree that the "single payor" deal could be the worst nightmare since Freddie Kruger. I have talked to P.S. and other Canadians about their health care. Tedious as it is, though, it's better than what I have right now. I pay $600 a month for coverage, just for me, my wife has her own plan, and am still never confident that my medical bills will be paid. All I have is a card that will get me in the door if I'm dying. Beyond that, I have no health care security, which means no financial security either.

[Bad Bob]

There is nothing wrong with our "health-care system".......... it's the paying for/getting insurance that can be an issue. We have a major medical insurance. we pay cash for most everything and it gets expensive but is it right for my neighbor to have to pay for my visits?
....... and taxing employers for providing health issurance???wtf?

[muscle_n_blood]

There is nothing wrong with our "health-care system".......... it's the paying for/getting insurance that can be an issue. We have a major medical insurance. we pay cash for most everything and it gets expensive but is it right for my neighbor to have to pay for my visits?
....... and taxing employers for providing health issurance???wtf?

Our health care system is absolutely driven by money. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nothing else. Health has so little to do with the way it all works. I know. I worked in health care for 20 years, and most of that was spent dealing with doctors employed by insurance companies who didn't even practice medicine, but were trying to tell me what a patient they had never seen needed. That's the main reason I finally gave it up.
 Everything is wrong with our system. We spend more per capita on health care, both as individually and through employer-sponsored plans than any developed nation on Earth, and have a much poorer record of outcomes. We should be the healthiest population on Earth. We are not.
Insurance companies are pigs. They care nothing for us. They command incalculable sums of money and have no intention of using it to pay claims if they can help it, whether they are legitimate or not. Neither do the pharmaceutical companies who simultaneously rape the public, the government, and even the insurance companies.

[Jack Tragic]

You have, again, described the problem as it really is.... The difference in fed policy "as advertised" compared to what happens on the ground. In health care, for example... If the "public option" was what it could be... a plan people could buy... not a gift to the freeloaders... that would be cheaper and more efficient than what we have to buy from private companies, they would be forced to streamline and compete. They can afford to do this. We didn't bail out Aetna or Blue Cross/Blue sheild, or Humana, or Cigna, etc .... If we actually had a choice between public and private, this thing could work, BUT.. by the time anything gets through congress, it's  mangled up beyond recognition and might have an attachment that has to do with studying horseshoes.
I agree that the "single payor" deal could be the worst nightmare since Freddie Kruger. I have talked to P.S. and other Canadians about their health care. Tedious as it is, though, it's better than what I have right now. I pay $600 a month for coverage, just for me, my wife has her own plan, and am still never confident that my medical bills will be paid. All I have is a card that will get me in the door if I'm dying. Beyond that, I have no health care security, which means no financial security either.

You are truley caught between a rock and a hardplace m&b! Hell! In your situation, you would be better off having the "disability" tag...at least you'd be able to get good medical/script coverage. Everybody knows that this administration "had" a hidden agenda before being elected. ie; "spread the wealth around...? You have GOT to be kidding!...I will say this though...keep your eye on the "ex" Governor from Alaska.This lady is very shrewd and extremely what this Nation needs...(a turn-around") Are you a VET btw? I don't think so, but just asking...  good luck bro.   J.